Berger 168 vs 180. this load has been accurate and safe in a number of rifles.
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Berger 168 vs 180 D. You might find the STW can push a 168 fast enough to stabilise a 168 berger, especially if you are shooting at a bit of altitude. by Community. I have a nice load for my . Jan 23, 2016 #2 Looking forward to your testing gun) Reply. Shot 4 Elk with the 168 gr Classic and none have traveled more than 2-3 steps. Joined Jan 27, 2008 Messages 363 Location Millbrook ,NY. dariuszczyszczon; Jul 28, 2009; Replies 5 Views 7K. Log in Register. 473). David Hamilton, Walt’s grandson and Berger’s Plant Manager, learned from his grandfather With a 168 though. 180 berger elite hunter on elk. Was ready I bought this gun so I could take advantage of the 180 Berger bullet. In 30 #hunting #ballistics #longrange #bullets #bergerTesting continues with the 30 cal 215 berger hybrid this time on elk. Any pros or cons or other thoughts on this Classic Hunter vs VLD? I have a 7mm Blaser mag which is nearly a twin to the 7PRC and I'm using 68. I shoot the 168's from a 7mm and my experience has been good with them. Hardly ever a pass through, which is good, and both sides completely bloodshocked-never had one run. The other dropped no real movement high shoulder shot at 550yrds. My initial results are very encouraging I am getting just over 1/3 moa at 300 yds out of both the 168 Berger and 162 A-Max during my first round of testing starting at a minimum book recommended charge and only changing seating depth, ironically only the A-max liked to be jammed BTW. Thread starter trickytune; Start date Jul 5, 2014; Help Support Long Range Hunting Forum Become a supporting member. Some might call this slogan marketing hype but it is in fact a brief description of the actual results you can depend on when using a Berger Hunting VLD. i would probably try either h-4831 or h-1000 also Last edited by roninflag; 04/19/11 . Classifieds. Articles. There is certainly nothing wrong with the 4350s. This makes these bullets very tolerant of jump in most cases. 8 gr of H4831sc is running right at 2900 fps out of a 1:9 25" pipe suppressed and shoots in the . Joined Sep 6, 2018 Messages 2,120 Location Texas. PapaB0415 Well-Known Member . Our bullets are unique in that they penetrate through the first 2” using 168 gr. Joined May 15, 2013 Messages 2,510 Location Central Texas. patreon. The new Berger Classic Hunter bullet performed flawlessly. Hodgdon has on-line data for the 7PRC using Hornady 162gr and 180gr ELD-M bullets. The 168 is only 7gr lighter than the 175gr but the Elite Hunter has a decent improvement in BC. For powder I'm looking at retumbo or H1000. 65. To all Headed to Montana for elk Sept 20th What is the consensus of the experts on the 168 Grain Berger VLD #28501 for Elk. 5gr RL26 w/180 Berger hunting vld's and from my 26in Hart barrel they're right at 3100 but my chamber has also been +P'd. 6 Gunwerks Ammunition - 7 SAUM - 168 gr. I have not shot any 180 grain bullets. He was dead on the first one but after hearing stories of so called Berger failures I Other bullets in . I am almost 100 fps faster with a Berger 180 hybrid in the prc. Same bullet just bonded. com/rifle-ammunit What are recommended starting and maximum powder loads using H1000 powder and Berger 168 gr VLD hunting bullets. 284 | 168gr | Berger VLD Hunting bullet in caliber . I am a hunter and target shooter. 250 Bullet Reference Charts | Berger Bullets 0. 06. Deer was 250 yards out, heart shot and dropped. With 180's I can also hit that same nodebut it'll be a warm one too at 63,000+ psiand 2,830 fps. I am going to try some of the Berger bullets. Search. 290 COAL and just work the load up. Joined Apr 16, 2008 Messages 200. I've read mixed reports on the 168's and elk especially at The BC of the Nosler BT(. Reactions: Hand Skills. First elk was 520 yards, perfect lung shot. Your barrel might be a bit short for h1000 but I think there’s good potential to speed up yet. 338 were 180 ballistic tip at 3750 fps. Took 2 steps and tipped over. It used to shoot the 168 Sierra MK at 3550 with 95 gr of RL-22 back in Oct 2008. Joined Jul 15, 2022 Messages 1,833 Location McAllen, TX. Berger has an extensive data sheet that uses their 175 Elite Hunter bullet. The 7mm 180 grain VLD is of particular interest because of its stellar advertised BC. The average muzzle velocity is 827 fps. With a proper understanding of I use 168 berger classic hunters and h4831sc. If you want a good balance of recoil, energy, trajectory and drift, look at the 185 Juggernaut, 185 hybrid and Thank you for the links! I didn't catch the expanded BC values for the ELD-M, looks like they publish the high end, not the average like Berger so that makes a lot more sense. remingtonman_25_06. 5 to 59 grains R23 in ADG brass. Search titles only By: Search Advanced search Search titles only By: Search Advanced Home. The versatility of these two bullets extends from big game hunting to long range benchrest competition and everything So it's a long way to say, my recommendation would be to consider the 180 rather than the 168. 308 Winchester with max bullet weight of 178 grains and max muzzle velocity of 2,800 fps; 5. 308 (30 Caliber, 7. C. Joined Dec 29, 2016 Messages 171. Berger’s VLD design utilizes an aggressive secant ogive. Im 10,9 g / 168 gr Berger Classic Hunter with N140, N150 and N160 VV powders. I guess I'd say I love how the Accubond performs Load data with 150 loads for . Reactions: buckbrush. Run the numbers on a ballistic program and you will see. Last elk took the first hit at 525 yards and then required 2 more follow ups. The average charge is 3. These are a hybrid bullet that is very tolerant of jump and designed to work at standard magazine lengths. In theory the Nosler should be better but we all know theory is often wrong. . , and now find that since Weatherby's have such a large freebore, the Bergers may not be suited to the gun. Reactions: Flyjunky. She didn't make another 40 yards At 350 the 180 e tip is probably at around the edge of its Iam torn between the 180gr TTSX and the 185 berger for my elk hunt with my see a Berger fail to penetrate a shoulder when placed there but have witnessed dramatic differences between different Berger bullets. OP. I will be finally receiving my stock tomorrow to put together a 7rem. I'm new to reloading( 6 months) I shoot FGMM 168 gr thru my Savage 1-10 24" bull barrel. It really likes the Nosler 168 and 175 Custom Comps. I just wanted to double check before taking them hunting since the 190 VLD's have treated me so well. VLDs and the the four powders listed above. Apr 5, 2021 #8 T. My 5R . 190VLDs haven't exited very often. Reactions: Wapiti_48, MT. tbrice23 Well-Known Member. 1 opened box from the same lot as above (64 pieces) = $40; 1 opened box from a different lot than the rest (82 pieces) = $50; 2) Berger 7mm 180 VLDH (3 boxes with two from the same lot / 290 pieces as one is opened) = $180 TYD The 7 mm Hybrid Target Bullets are competition proven and a favorite amongst today’s top long range competition shooters. 261 6. This type of bullet requires ultra precision manufacturing for the bullet to be effective at shooting extreme long I am looking for load data for 7mm Rem Mag 168 grain Berger Classic Hunter Hybrids. Was just wondering if anyone has tried RE26 with 168 Bergers? I hate muzzlebrakes, so I prefer not to use mine and try the 168s for less kick. Reactions: Wassid82. After all the smoke and hair settled at the end of the season, with shots from 250 yards to 800 yards, in the 7mm-300 the 180 HVLD Berger had more one shot kills than the 180 Hybrids or the 195 EOL's. Mar 8, 2016 #2 22, per the Berger 1) 8 boxes Berger 7mm 168 VLDH (all the same lot) - $65 per box. Preferably from the Berger manual, if it is in there. Thread starter mcseal2; Start date Jan 16, 2017; Jan 16, 2017 #1 M. Academy. Many nights I would have two shooters ready to go. Going to Montana on a ranch hunt where shot opportunities are expected to be in the 200-400 yard range, though I plan to practice out to 600. The current 24" rem takeoff is getting 2975 with 100 gr of RL-33 and the 230 gr match target hybrid. 215 Berger Hybrids to start, the good idea fairy talked me into switching to 180gr Nosler Accubonds and Good load with 168 berger VLD hunt in a tikka or Rem 700 is 71. My mv avg is 2915 fps and shoots well. 5 gr Ramshot hunter seated . Accuracy being equal. Using data from similar bullets like the 175EH or 180 Hy-Tgt can give you a rough idea, but always proceed with caution when working with I'd go with a 168 or 180 Berger anyday over the ABLRs . I wanted the elite ogive for jumping to lands forgiveness. I shot one Berger bullets and ammunition are manufactured in the USA to what they consider to be “True Match Grade” quality. 50" vertical 26 moa up I hope this helps, Lloyd Click to expand Good job Lloyd! I like it! It is pretty telling of the B. 5 Moa groups @ 100yds The claimed velocity from berger out of an 24in barrel is around 3050. 75 moa up 180 SMK 4. Barnes TTSX vs Berger VLD. I think that you are correct in that your velocity is a little lower with the 168 gr bullet, Well added the final chapter to the 168 gr Berger Classic Hunter / 7mm08 nasty sometimes but worked. I also use a 180 VLD in my 7MM STW for elk. 7rem mag berger vld 168 vs 180. Shot factory Federal Premium Berger Hybrid Hunter 168 gr and Hornady ELDX 162 gr sub MOA. 2" vertical 27. Have yet to see any elk/deer/antelope go more than a few yards when hit & 90% have been dead right there in 3 to 5 seconds. We were nervous at first as we believe the VLD needed to be in the rifling to shoot well and we also knew that most hunters use a magazine and SAMMI chambers. It is hand loaded one cartridge at a time with meticulous inspection and quality control. I was debating between the Berger 168 hvld, 175 elite hunter and 180 hvld. Search titles only By: Search Advanced search New Try the Berger 168 VLD's or the 180 Elite Hunters. Not BC marketing BS. I still have 1 Elk tag I agree with coyotezapper, it shouldn't stabilise a 180 berger, berger recommend 1 in 9" twist for the 180. https://www. 060 from lands 3000 fps I would susgest going to a good ballistic program and compare the difference between the 180 and the 168 grain. doverpack12 Well-Known Member. Reply. Joined Feb 25, 2023 Messages 3,205 Location western ms. Now here's my questions am I going to have enough room to fit the berger 180 vld hunting bullets. 434: Don’t take this as gospel, but looking at published load data across several decades the trend is max load charge weights have gone down, we call the book max ‘lawyer loads’. Hope Judd doesn't see this . Whether in competition or with lives on the line, long range shooters and Mil/LE operators utilizing ballistic solvers need 100% reliable data. So I I shoot a 140 out of my 7MM Mag at 3400 fps and it gives up very little to the 168 at 3000 fps, mostly windage. Magnums need to be pushed. Info/comments appreciated. First shot behind his left shoulder,he took a half step and punched him dead center chest,one step to his left and put another behind his right shoulder all in quick succession. Performed perfectly in my opinion. 00 out of 5. 99. Thread starter Dalebow; see a Berger fail to penetrate a shoulder when placed there but have witnessed dramatic differences between different Berger bullets. I have a two part questions: Have any Has anyone played with both of these bullets? Specifically in 7-300 or 28 Nosler. This makes for awesome BCs (The 7mm 168 grain VLD-Hunting has a G7 BC of . - Berger VLD: From bullets to powder and primers, every component and specification has been carefully selected to provide the ultimate performance for long range hunting ammunition. I have 168 gr berger, Accubond LR . I'm tempted to see how good I can get them with seating depth for my rifle but my question isWill 180 ELD-M's do the job on a sheep/mule deer just like a 180 berger or 175 ELD-X would? Or do the match 180 Berger Hybrid from 7LRM hit the bull in my aviator at 650 ish yards. Should I just shoot the 168 vld or classic hunter? I would like to see 3000fps out of the 180gr or 3150 out of the 168 class of bullets. Throated for 180 Bergers and RE 26. But the 300 WM won 7mm 168 gr VLD-Hunting 168. I have taken a few mule deer 180 Berger Hybrid 5. Jan 30, 2024 #12 Dmagna said: I am almost 100 fps faster with a Berger 180 Last load I tried in it for grins was the Berger 168 Classic hybrid with RL-22. RedSnake OP. the 180 used in my 300 Ultra Mag I would Looking back, I would choose a 180 VLD rather than the 168 and I did get a 190 gr LRHT to shoot very well out of my 7 RM before I sold it on. 5MM 140gr VLDHunting 0. Boy Well-Known Member. Had a . I do use the G7 coefficient in shooter, just easier for me to understand G1 when comparing bullets like it's easier for me to understand MOA VS Mil. For sure my favorite was the 180 VLD for the most consistent results, great velocity and terminal With a 168 though. Thread starter haisardao; Start date Mar 23, 2024; Help Support Long Range Hunting Forum Become a supporting member. That would be a good place to start. VLD Target Features. Home. I'm shooting at 4600 plus feet in elevation. I use the new 180 now in my 300WM, tougher but expands also, great bullet! My shorty 308 loves the 168BT at the range, we shall see Get access to live stream, lessons, the post exchange, and chat with other snipers. The tikka with short barrel yields around 3175-3200fps . Got up to 96 gr of RL-22 with 3530 fps. F. It was roughly s 350 yard shot. Jul 22, 2024 #17 204_ruger Lil-Rokslider. I have seen on this site some have had trouble with the 168 VLD and the 168 Classic Hunter was more accurate. 010 3. I also have been able to get my hands on the target hybrids in 180 grain . Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk Berger currently offers two bullets in 7mm: 168 grain and 180 grain VLD’s. Lungs were soup. Smokepoles Well-Known Member. LRH Supporter. Those competing in the tactical division must adhere to these restrictions:. The 180 Berger Hybrid would have been a little better comparison, but this is what I use and had on hand. Antelope was a fluke. 334 0. I've got Berger's data for the 7PRC and their 175EH and 180 Hy-Tgt but I just picked up a box of Berger 168 Classic Hunters. The second key characteristic is how Berger hunting bullets perform on impact with game. Jan 23, 2016 #3 Reflétant la dernière période d'opulence royale avant les bouleversements de la Révolution française, les meubles anciens Louis XVI présentent des formes plus angulaires que les Rococo courbes du style Louis XV, rappelant l'imposante grandeur de Louis XIV. 280 Ackley Improved. advantage of the 183 SMK! 1shot. I like how fast it opens and starts making a Testing Mag length 0. So i've been reloading the 180 berger's and getting about . Reactions: Bravo6 and menhaden_man. It shot Nosler LRAB 168 gr around MOA, but not nearly as well as the other two. When I started shooting the 168 VLDs I had to increase that range because this dang target bullet, which some folks allege is too thin and would undoubtedly blowup and not achieve sufficient penetration would blow holes right through the 3/8 inch steel at 400 yards. The catch to Big Game Hunting - Moose vs. Ogive. The Berger Hybrid bullets have both the VLD (secant) and Standard (tangent) ogives incorporated into the nose design. Using 58. chronographed muzzle velocity average of 2930 of 5 shots . VLD Hunting Rifle Bullets are identical in design to VLD Target Rifle Since these new Berger Classic Hunter bullets must have a nose length that is short enough to comply with SAAMI standards we get the most external ballistics performance possible by making the nose with Bryan’s Hybrid design. 7 mm 180 Grain Hybrid Target Rifle Bullet The 7 mm Hybrid Target Bullets are competition proven and a favorite amongst today’s top long range competition shooters. One of my best loads ever is with H4350 in my 30. 010 off the rifling of my brux 26" gets 3080 fps and . S. I highly recommend Lapua brass. No discernible difference on performance, there was a difference on how I loaded the 2. Thread starter Steakngravy; Start date Aug 28, 2016; Aug 28, 2016 #1 Steakngravy WKR. Jan 23, 2022 #22 Flyjunky WKR. Powders I have in stock in good quantities are IMR4350, IMR4451, H100V, H1000, H4831SC, plus a small amount of RE26. 5MM 130gr VLDHunting 0. Berger's 168 gr Classic Hunter. 7PRC Berger The 168 Berger hybrid hunter will do well on any western big game animal. 5 shot groups right at . They recommend a 1 in 10" for the 168. 000" **Freebore is from breech to lead including headspace//SAAMI is 0. The Classic Hunter did not disappoint. I know how these guys shoot and how often they 7mm REM MAG, H1000, 168 VLD, and Quickload Hoping that one of my fellow longrangehunters with quickload could run the data including barrel time, for 7mm Rem Mag with 26" barrel, 168 grain Berger VLD, 3. I didn't like the idea of jamming them in i shot re-19; 57 to 63 grains. Berger 7 mm Hybrid Target Bullets utilize their industry-leading hybrid ogive, which blends tangent and secant designs to optimize efficiency. My 7MM WSM is on the way, and I need to get to it!! I have 4831SC and Reloder 25, but will be buying According to the Berger chart the VLD is the recommended bullet. by Bullet / Powder Brand. I understand this is an old thread, but want to reply anyway ; Post reply Insert quotes I got ELD in 162 175 and 180 gr bullets. Forums. This load had dumped elk at 1000 yards. James killed a nice antelope in the Empire ranch area. RedSnake. That's exactly what I wanna hear. Since you’re talking factory ammo I assume you meant 168 VLD? I shot both the 168 vld and 180 hybrid. The shot was around 450 yds. It shot better than After we proved that the Berger VLD bullets are consistently and exceptionally capable of putting game down quickly we started promoting the VLD to hunters. Switched to the 180 hybrid for the BC and weight, found a . https://www. The 168 HVLD is a grenade (this coming from a guy who loves ELD Ms). Longest is a muley at 700 yds, and average distance for elk is about 500 yds. I am using the 175 ABLR at 3090 in my Mashburn, but the 180 Scenar, 175 ELD and 180 Berger shoot excellent as well and will all work well on elk in my opinion. 30-06 I'm looking to try a new hunting bullet in for elk. Berger 7mm VLD vs New 175 gr Elite Hunter #6548116 11/17/16 08:54 PM: Joined: May 2010. 280 Rem. I'm leaning towards the ELD-X. 24 moa) with H4831sc, but the H1000 Come on guys, show me your best loads for 168 Bergers, 180 Bergers, and whatever else you have found to shoot well. . My best velocity has came with H1000. I have recieved the data from berger and loaded the max of 86 grains of Retumbo with an OAL of 3. MOA gave me their basic load workups and they use only Bergers (suggested 168 or 195's). 1 – Fallow Buck – 230 yards 16 – Goats – 62~91 yards 26 – Goats – 110 I am curious to know if anyone has used this specific bullet on game and how it performed vs the 180gr Berger Hybrid or VLD. I did a lot of load testing and ended up gettting consistent 1/2 MOA (sometimes better) groups in my modified Sendero 7mm Rem Mag with 72 grains Retumbo, Berger 168 VLD, WW brass, Fed 215 primers, at . If you want the least drift, use a 215 hybrid. Berger currently offers two bullets in 7mm: 168 grain and 180 grain VLD’s. Lonnie . trickytune Well-Known Member. I have harvested many elk and a couple of deer with this combo with good results. I love the bigger 7's myself, that new 7 PRC should be a great one, a 7 Rem Mag set up with a 1-8 twist barrel and a 3. 346 Bullet *Max COAL *Max CBTO 180 VLD Hunt 3. DRT. Thread starter mcseal2; Start date Apr 8, 2017; Apr 8, 2017 #1 mcseal2 WKR. 5 MOA groups. Copy Link to Clipboard Berger Very Low Drag Target Bullets typically have the highest Ballistic Coefficient and can be tuned for ultimate precision. 2 elk taken this year with 180 berger hybrids out of my 7 saum. 246 0. i want to shoot 175-180 bullet. WeiserBucks said: I've taken a pile of elk with 180 7mm and 215 30 cal Go for it!Well I killed my 370+ Nevada bull last year with a HSM 168 Berger in a 300 wsm at 300 yards. Eld x vs berger. I much prefer the terminal performance of the I usually shoot the heaviest bullet possible for the higher BCs. Looking at wind drift of all those loads I’m also rebarreling a tikka to a 7prc. 284 begers 180 vld vs 180 hybrid. and the 180 grain berger rounds . Joined Sep 23, 2016 Messages 535 Location however, my choices in my 7SAUM are the 168 ABLR or the berger 175 elite hunter. Secant Ogive Berger VLD (Vey Low Drag) Bullets use a Secant Ogive, which is an 180 TSX has been solid. The bullets were 180 TSX, 180 TTSX, and 180 AB. You can go to our 7mm 168 grain CLASSIC HUNTER bullet. 168's run 2875 and the 175's 2820fps from my 23. Dec 8, 2019 #1 I've got a . Free Reloading Manuals . The other on my 300 win mag with 215's. are droppingallNorthAmerican sizedgame atshort andlongrange with effective Berger Huntingbullets 25Cal 115gr VLDHunting 0. Feb 6, 2024; Thread Starter #11 OP . At the same velocity pretty much same performance but slightly less. Load Data. You can try 63. 62mm) 168 Grain Hollow Point Boat Tail Box of 100. 0 grains of Retumbo with the "Old" WLR primer and the 168 grn Berger hunting VLD and Nosler 280 AI brass. Barnes specializes in deep penetration and high weight retention bullets. There are some dynamite 175-180 class bullets for a 7 Magnum. FYI Shot a very large Wisconsin doe at 180 yards. flyin lizard Well-Known Member. A buddy of mine has a 7saum with a 26" barrel. They are the only ones that would provide me with the info, I requested the same from Hornady but was told they do not Berger Classic Hybrid Hunter Bullets dump their energy where it is most effective – inside the animal. Lipan, TX, USA, Earth, Milky W S. I've also had good results using H4831sc and Berger 168 VLDH's. I prefer the berger hunting VLD 180 with 71 grains Retumbo . Phil Rizzo Well-Known Member. It was a one shot one 7mmPRC Load/ Cartridge Data-Berger Bullets Brass base to neck junction measure used is 2. 4 $ 65. 50 moa up 183 SMK 2. 5moa. i am leaning towards the 175 Menu. 6" vertical 25. 308 Win loves everything from 168 to 215 bullets. I have been buying several different brands to try. All kinds of ranges and angles, great killing bullets. THF Celebrity. Joined Jun 22, 2020 Messages 1,528. May 20, 2021 #5 G. From what I have read they both are quality hunting bullets and do the job. Warning! This thread is more than 12 years ago old. They quit making the BT in 180 (a rather short bullet) and replaced with 180 Accubond. However, the 280 AI 180 or 168 Berger VLD's Real world numbers with my 284 Shehane which has similar case capacity to the 280AI. I used four different powders with a seating Berger vs Accubond, my experience. Jan 9, 2017 #10 Thanks Ben, I recently finished trimming and re-pointing #195 Derek Webster: 7 SWC with Berger 7mm 180 gr. In part 1 of this two part series, I’ll Since I didn't get any suggestions, I loaded test loads with Berger 168 gr. Mt. Our ears were wide open as the feedback was received. They don’t 2 more dead bull elk with the 180 grn 7mm hunting vld> One shot low shoulder thru the heart at 775yrds dead upside down in less than 3 seconds. Berger BC’s are calculated from 3,000 fps to 1,500 fps to support the most accurate trajectory predictions over long range. 62mm) 180 Grain Hollow Point Boat Tail Box of 100. They have two, the 230 Gr Hybird (BC G1 . I took them to Africa and had good results overall, but if I built another 7mm I would go straight to 180s without a second look at the 168 weight class. by Bullet. 56 I shot a bull elk at 1098 with a Berger 180 grain HVLD in a 7 mag. 1 shot, quick results on Elk, Mule Deer, White tail and large hogs. I suggest that you start your bullet seating depth testing with the Berger Hybrid Target and Elite Hunter bullets at . Setting aside the “who is acting ethically” question for a moment the Barnes’ bone in gelatin test is meant to show terminal performance on impact with bone and tissue. Reactions: . The difference figures out to be about 3" of wind drift in favor of the 180 but the energy numbers are very close due to the higher velocity of the 168. Get access to live stream, lessons, the post exchange, and chat with other snipers. , with bullets: 11,7 g / 180 gr Fox Bullets Classic Hunter with N165, N560 and N565 VV powders; 11,7 g / 180 gr Nosler BT Hunting with N165, N170, N560 and N565 VV powders; 12,0 g / 185 gr Lapua OTM Scenar with N160, N165, N170, N560 and N565 VV powders ; 13,0 g / As Creedmoor Shooter suggested, I'd choose the 175-180 bullets over the 168 Berger. Thread starter Rhovee; Start date Dec 30, 2018; Dec 30, 2018 #1 Rhovee Well-known member. Varget, CFE 223, BLC-2, LeverEvolution will all work well. 490) is higher than the BC of the Berger VLD(. Mag. P. 015 off the lands. chetraguse Well-Known Member. Now if the shot is drove wrong the Berger seems to make an animal a lot sicker quicker than the accubond drove wrong does. 050" Jump 7 R SAUM with 180 Berger. my dad killed a moose with one a couple years ago. Feb 9, 2019 #8 Follow . Jul 22, 2024 I have loaded both the 168 Gr Berger Classic and the 175 ELD-x in my 280 as it has a 8. 180 Berger 66. If however you feel your response is required you can still do so. shooterpunk2 Well-Known Member. 433" OAL, with HODGDON H1000 powder. New posts Search forums. 300 Win Mag 180 grain E-tip. 92" coal vs the 168 SMK and 175 SMK at 2. killed a rocky mtn bighorn with 62. I have found great terminal performance. top of page. family, due to BC and excellent down range performance. Use Twist Rate Calculator. Comparing the 168 vs. mcseal2 Handloader. I don't want a "compressed" load either. Thread starter mcseal2; The first was a 40 yard frontal From a 7mag 168 grain Bang flop. Entry side shoulder was low and forward in the joint with exitin shoulder right where the blade starts. Joined Jun 21, 2013 Messages 79 Location Brisbane,Queensland, Australia. I have killed Elk at various ranges with all of them. I did start with I have a R Bros 7mm Rem mag. DFW / Roosevelt, Tx. 5MM 135gr ClassicHunter 0. 87" coal to the lands in an AI factory barrel. Second was 60 yards trotting quartering away300 wm 200 grain Berger. Golf ball sized exit hole. this load has been accurate and safe in a number of rifles. Thread starter PapaB0415; Start date Jul 22, 2022; Help Support Long Range Hunting Forum Become a supporting member. In Classic Hunter in 150 gr 168 gr and 175 gr Elite Hunter. Part Number Product Description G1 BC G7 BC Minimum Twist; 24570: 6 mm 95 Grain Classic Hunter: 0. Latest reviews Author list. 186 3. 52 grains. I helped several friends put together loads for their 7 Rem mags using the Berger 168 hybrid hunter bullet and Retumbo here in Tucson. The rifle is very handy to carry for my elk Hi everyone, flexible here. Posts: 30,496. 63. Elk was in some timber about 75 yards out, lung shot and dropped him fast. Thread starter mcseal2; Start date Apr 8, 2017; Apr 8, 2017 #1 The first was a 40 yard frontal From a 7mag 168 grain Bang flop. At this point they're all I use and I've tried almost everything available. The following is a breakdown of the animals that were taken, grouped by animal type and within certain range values. The reason I ask is I have worked with the Nosler partition,160 grain and the Accubonds 140 grain but the Bergers shoot the best consistently. 284 and 7 saum with 160 Accubonds but boy those 168's shoot considerably tighter groups especially at the longer distances, 5-600 yards. Do you guys think there will be much difference in recoil? Have you tried RE26 with a 168 Berger? I have RE26, Retumbo and H1000. What's new. 284 which gives me all 3 berger offerings at that weight which is what I want to shoot in my 28N. In Stock. Search titles and first posts only . Which Berger 168 for my 280 Ackley? Thread starter Ridgerunner665; Start date Jul 9, 2015; Help Support Long Range Hunting Forum Become a supporting member. I just got home from the range and put the first rounds through a new Krieger 22” SAUM. Berger lists the 180 hybrid Target with a J4 Target Jacket. Joined Dec 27, 2018 Messages 284 Location Wv. 266 6 MM 108gr Elite Hunter 0. He shoots the 180grain Berger I am curious to know if anyone has used this specific bullet on game and how it performed vs the 180gr Berger Hybrid or VLD. Forest WKR. Apr 5, 2018 #6 180 Hunting VLDs failed to perform consistently on 3 animals for me from a 7mm STW. The 168 Hybrid had to be seated way out 2. 015" from the lands (3065 fps). Most likely going to take the most accurate load. I seated the bullets to touch the lands and ended up with a COL of 3. 316). 06 pushing the 168 TSX. I don't have any H1000 recommendations in my book. 287 Ourhuntingbullets penetrate 2"to 3"of tissueandbonebefore fragmentingdeep inthevital area Berger also makes precision machined solid copper bullets with the same methodology of making the bullet perfectly round with minimal imperfections. Joined Jan 9, 2018 Messages 985 Location WC MN. Meaning that their product has been proven to win in national and international competitions throughout various shooting disciplines. Joined Nov 21, 2012 Messages 214. Their data seems 208 amax starting at 2600'sec has less drift at 1K than a 168 SMK starting out at 3500'sec. I have berger 180 hybrids, 180 HVLD and the 175 elite. 180 Hybrid if you have the 8 twist it needs. Jul 30, 2009. Either way I would have to at least try the Berger 175 XLD. I got outstanding accuracy from that bullet. There long bullets and don't want to much case capacity to be taken up. I live in Arkansas. So my 26in barreled I've tried mostly Berger bullets, 168 and 185 gr. You’ll get more velocity with RL26. Berger Bullets offers high quality true match grade bullets using innovative product 7. Distance would be from 50 yards to 800 yards . 300" groups and is devastating on game. Does anyone have Berger's data Forums. Joined Aug 6, 2013 Messages 4,345 Location Arizona. Animals drop quickly, with most immediately going into shock after such trauma. Re: Hornady ELD-X vs Berger VLD Hunting #6696010 03/05/17 10:28 PM: Joined: Oct 2012. I suspect my issue with the 180 Elite was related to not quite enough twist. the G1, visit Berger Bullet’s Blog. Aug 25, 2021 #7 F. Jul 5, 2014 #1 Hi I have been reading as much as I can and just done some testing now I need . 9" vertical 27. I suggest that you start your bullet seating I have ran both eld m 180 and berger hunting 180 and JLK 180. 249 6. Subsonic Load Data. Joined Dec 12, 2012 Messages 3,076 Location Indiana . Will use it on deer and hogs too. Just easier to tune and uses the same load data as the 7mm 168 VLD. 1 on a 7mm-300 with 180's or 195's. 200"- . That certainly narrow the range of Berger Bullets. People talk Berger 180 gr Hybrid target vs 180 gr VLD. Thread starter laker rifle for antelope to elk and curious on which bullet you like better for hunting the 175 grain hornady eldx or the 180 grain berger and why. Ive used VLDs and CHs on elk. This is something they have been doing for a long time. 324 yards Berger 184 vs 180 eldm on game. 410" All loads chronographed in the mid 2550 fps range with no sign of high pressure Berger 180 Grain VLD Hunting Bullets are extremely popular for long range hunting applications. New posts Trending Search forums Leaderboards Media New media New comments Anybody have any recent experience with the 7mm Berger Hunting 168 vld's on large deer or elk. Reactions: Countrykang8, BAKPAKR, Ron Burton and 2 others. All of the other shooters running a 22 or 30 caliber were competing in the tactical division. 263 150 Classic 168 VLD Target 168 VLD The 9t works good with 180 Bergers too and have had the 195's shoot very good to 2000 yards from the same barrel so I think their stabilizing ok. All Bergers are designed to penetrate a couple inches and break up. 25 inch barrel. M. Add to cart; Berger Hunting VLD Bullets 0. 5 moa load with the 168, didn’t chase it any further. Being using the berger 168 but wondering if anyone tried the 180 grain The difference isn't HUGE, but it's there nonetheless. I’ve shot 4 elk Berger 7mm 168vldh @2950fps or Berger 180 hybrid @ 2835fps for mule deer and Elk out to 1000yds. The performance will be nearly identical. B23 said: I'm not sure if you can get enough N570 in I'm am going to have a friend work up some loads for me and would like some input. I am curious about experiences with both these bullets. I shoot a 175 eldx out of a 280 ai in 24" barrel at 2950. Joined Apr 7, 2014 Messages 559. Primary purpose is hunting so based on Berger site, I was between the 180 VLD and 195 EOL. I just put on a 7mm08 barrel and I have debated trying the Berger 175 XLD, but I think I will have to stick with the 162 Amax as I really don't have the horsepower and it has a greater BC at the higher speeds which are out of my I am doing Load Development on my new 7 Saum. Shoots great! I can't understand why I don't hear much talk about the 165 gr bullets. As a result. all Load Data. Joined Apr 24, 2020 Messages 133. 2's if I do my part. I guess I'd say I love how the AccuBond performs on game. Barnes Proves Why Berger Hunting VLDs Work on Game. What's new Search. I built a 284 win last year for use at long range with 180 VLDs. 233 0. Rated 4. I also had a wealth of test results on the 71 animals that were taken during the trip. An ethical kill is our #1 performance goal and is demanded by our customers. I've taken a pile of elk with 180 7mm and 215 30 cal Berger Hybrids. com/Robsreloading 30 Caliber 168 Grain Very Low Drag (VLD) Hunting Rifle Bullet . 119 3. I have had nothing but great success at the range and shooting whitetail. 7 and a 168 berger - remington 700 sendero. I have a few friends that 180 Hybrid if you have the 8 twist it needs. Naturally I'm describing myself and 2 buddies. The 168 also offers a I have been doing some load development for my new savage 7 rem mag model 116fhsak. Jan 13, 2023 #1 Just curious on peoples thoughts between the 180 hybrid and the The Berger Bullets Ballistics Calculator uses BCs (G1 or G7) to calculate trajectory and account for any external factors that may effect bullet performance Seating depth Berger VLD vs hybrid. 180 Grain VLD Hunting Bullets are designed to penetrate 2-3″ and then begin to expand and create a massive wound cavity up to 15″. Sneaky. Sub MOA and pretty flat at 3045 fps (hand loads). 83" coal and 2. 030” from the lands on a sammi chamber with factory tikka mag. The 175 also has a Hybrid ogive compared to the VLD design so it will be easier to tune and keep shooting well. The versatility of these two bullets extends from big game hunting to long range benchrest competition and everything in between including long range NRA prone and F-class score shooting. Have a big back order of Berger but thinking about canceling it due to the success I’ve had with hornady and Search. Jul 22, 2022 #1 Below is a list of what I have up for sale. I took them to Africa and had good results overall, but I have always been a 180 grain fan of the 30 cal. 282 3. Joined Jun 30, 2013 Messages 3,648 Location Michigan. My hornady kills have not been that impressive. I was asked on another forum about how I liked each of these bullets after using both in the field for several years. Nov 1, 2010 725 17. Jud96 Well-Known Member. Jan 25, 2018 #7 Info and experience on any caliber would be great and please share, but specifically I am interested in 180gr berger hybrid vs the 175 eld-x. My load for 280AI with 168 VLDs over 58. Datant de 1750 à 1800, époque qui coïncide avec celle du dernier roi de France dont le règne fut interrompu par la Berger doesn’t make a 168 hybrid. From the beginning we have promoted Berger Hunting VLD as an alternative option. I will be Hunting moose and mountain goat in BC this year. 0 ten times. A perfect combination of speed and BC. 168. I know from past experiences that I can't reliably shoot the 180 VLD in the Remington 1 in 9 1/4" factory twist, especially with the slower velocity of the . R. Berger VLD Bullet - Gentlemen, I currently shoot a TCPro Hunter 300winmag,using the 168 Grain VLD Berger hunting bullet. 020 off the lands. Built with highly consistent J4 Precision Rifle Bullet jacket, most favored by custom Rifle Bullet makers. Joined: Oct 2012. 277 6. 95" coal, and the 175 OTM Tactical was a little better 2. I shoot this out of my 26" 1/9" twist 3 groove"barreled AI and it gives me about 3100+- fps with consistent . 0 RL 22 Win Brass CCI Mag. I now have quite a bit of: spent Hornady brass, Berger 180 gr hybrids, Fed GM215M'S, and quite a few of the usually recommended powders. hornadyle. gelton WKR. Joined May 8, 2014 Messages 2,733. The load for vld's and classic hunters is the same in my rifle Re: 7 SAUM 162/168 My next caliber will either be a 7 SAUM or a LA 284. Next up, I used Bergers 168 gr Classic Hunter that had done so well in a recent loading article for 7mm Rem Mag. Posts: 4,094. 295 3. You generally can't push the 168s quite fast enough to overcome the deficit in BC as compared to the 185s. Here is my response for anyone interested. I’m planning on going with the 175 elite hunter for a few reasons. 50 moa up 162 Hornady Match 12. Extended COAL 0. by Game Species. 300 Win. 0 grains of h1000 and a 180 Berger averaged 2760 FPS. Load it to the 3. Dosh Well-Known Member. I would suspect, if the impact velocities are the same between the CH, VLD and EH, and the bullet weight is the same. I should be able to get within . Just Berger soup in the chest cavity and hardly a step after the shot. Shot a few more elk at around 150 yards with the Berger’s but am using I’m not real sure I’ve noticed a difference in how fast an animal dies with a Berger vs an accubond when shot properly. by Caliber. I shoot the 168's from a 7mm and my experience has been I built a 284 win last year for use at long range with 180 VLDs. Took out the lungs and bullet was under the hide. 7mm REM MAG, H1000, 168 VLD, and Quickload Hoping that one of my fellow longrangehunters with quickload could run the data including barrel time, for 7mm Rem Mag with 26" barrel, 168 grain Berger VLD, 3. 743, G7 380) and the 230 If you want to read up on the G7 vs. I think you might take advantage of that freebore by trying Berger's 230 grn bullets. Joined Dec 25, 2018 Messages I have extensively tested the Bergers in 7mm 168 VLD, 180 VLD , 180 Hybrid and 195 EH on elk. Use Ballistics Calculator. 243 (243 Berger Hunting VLD Bullets 0. 800 Yard Steel Range Precision Rifle Instruction Memberships and Classes Available . It 180 VS 184, which? and why? One example of this is Berger's . I can go I've had good results using H1000 with Berger 168 VLDH's and H1000 with Hornady 162 ELDX's. This has probably been beaten to death but finally got my 7mm PRC build done and started the set up. As always, start at minimum charge weight or 10% from max and work your way up. The shape of a bullet’s nose has a big effect on BC. Berger vs Accubond, my experience. 4 consistently. Thread starter shooterpunk2; Start date Dec 8, 2019; Help Support Long Range Hunting Forum Become a supporting member. PERCHMAN, std7mag and 1 other person. I was asked on the 2016 pics thread how I liked each by now, figured I'd reply here rather than hi-jack that thread. Getting ready to start loading some Bergers for my 28 nosler I have some 195 also going to try the 180 do any of you guys have experience with the 180 hybrid for a hunting bullet I've heard that becose of the Berger vs Accubond, my experience. question-- anyone know the real differences between these 2 bullets as far as make up (not measurements as I can get that info on berger's site) - looks like the f-open has a longer bearing surface than the std hybrid I read the whole kit and caboodle on hunting with the 30 cal hybrid target What do y’all think of Berger versus hornady. Mar 10, 2010 #3 My Berger 175 EH vs 180 HT. I have been wanting to try to the Berger 180 Elite Hunters, but haven't got around to it. T. 188 3. Hybrid at 2700 fps; Tactical Division Shooters . The Berger VLD Hunting Rifle Bullet is one of the flattest shooting hunting Rifle Bullets in the industry. The reason for this is that the 168 Hybrid enjoys a very high BC for its weight, so the BC Berger VLD Target Rifle Bullets are extremely popular for competitive long range applications. Thanks in advance. I shoot 180g Berger Hybrids at 2950 fps from my 30 Berger currently offers two bullets in 7mm: 168 grain and 180 grain VLD’s. C. They are near perfect in the . Bullets are my main concern narrowed down to: Berger 168 or 180 or ELD-X 175gr. Barrel Length vs. I started at max loads from the Berger manual, which are usually mild. Extended the throat though to Hopefully i pick my 7mm Prc today. 5gr - 72. Mar 23, 2024 #1 Question for the group, any differences in terminal performance between these two SOLD/EXPIRED Berger 168 VLDH and 180 VLDH. Thread starter chetraguse; Start date Jan 13, 2023; Help Support Long Range Hunting Forum Become a supporting member. Although I'm a cabinet maker, I don't yet understand the intricates of why 168 is all the rage, when just 3 Not all BC’s are created equal. My main concern is Something else I did when I ordered my 28 Nosler, I sent an email to Berger asking if they could provide the load data for the 168, 180, and 195 grain data for my rifle, they gladly sent me all the loads for those bullets . As far as performance the Berger acts like a grenade and kills very well. I had a good load with Retumbo, but now I'm out of it, and I've got 8 lbs of H1000 so I thought I would try it. FIND A DEALER . I shot the 168 gr Classic Hunters out of a 20" 1-10 twist Remington LTR last fall. Found some of the Gunwerks 180 ELD-M, factory loads and they are shooting just as well. I went all the way up to 73 grains, but didn't get as good accuracy. 30 cal 168 Hybrid, which can be pushed fast enough with the right setup at reasonable operating pressure to provide equal or better ballistics than the 185 Juggernaut, even though the Jug has a higher BC. The problem is that the design makes for long noses that factory Ok. TxLite WKR. There are several posts regarding the Berger hybrid target vs vldmost would say the hybrid targets do great on big game. 2 moa load and haven’t looked back. haisardao Well-Known Member . Same accuracy, distance and performance on game as the VLD. Asking for a 2 box minimum purchase for the 168's to help All 3 were pushed by IMR4064 with no shortage of killing power. We use only first time use materials in all of our manufacturing, which helps us to ensure uniformity everywhere in the bullet. Thanks Mighty man Used the berger 168 CH last year for 1 antelope and 2 elk. 150 Jump vs. It's likely that no further discussion is required, in which case we recommend starting a new thread. I have a few friends that tried the 175 ELD X in their rifles, but said they could not get them to shoot in their guns. timmy Guest. Accuracy has been real close between the two, but I've shot my best group (0. Has anyone here done back to back testing? I want to use the Nosler BT because it is much more readily available here in the UK, but if the Berger is hands down better then I will use that. A 168 is faster yes but as long as the 175 is proportionally as fast, it will have less drift. 25 twist barrel. I did run a wire drill bit in the nose of all of my bullets. Extreme Tracker. Preference & why? Thanks! I have used the 30 cal 168 classic hunters on elk, deer and antelope. His muzzle velocity is 3079 fps 2 more dead bull elk with the 180 grn 7mm hunting vld> One shot low shoulder thru the heart at 775yrds dead upside down in less than 3 seconds. Antelope was 350 yards, died within seconds. mhjjtgmaisrpkaxycrcxmfphgnsvqgvzucproygumpetzvqsz